This is something I still trip over in informal writing. I generally type out “me and so-and-so” and then the little grammar nerd in the back of my head tells me to correct it to “so-and-so and I”. Then I have a little debate over how stuck-up it would sound if I changed it, and whether it would even be correct. This is all ridiculous, of course, because 90% of my communication is via text message, and as long as the message doesn’t read “me n jim goin 2 da sho. c u 2nite” then nobody is going to question my intelligence. For the record, if you do use netspeak, I will question your intelligence. I’m not going to say I didn’t go through a serious netspeak phase, but c’mon, people. We have autocorrect and predictive text now.
So let’s review the rules, for when you want to sound smart.
First off, there’s the matter of manners. For whatever reason, it’s not polite to put yourself first, even in writing. Of course, it would sound weird to say “I and you”, but “me and you” is pretty common. Technically, the I or me should always come after the other noun, or nouns, in the list: you and I; my dog and me; Bart, Milhouse, and I.
Where people often go wrong is using I versus me. I think most of us were corrected enough times in elementary school that our brains just default to “you and I”, even when “you and me” is correct. For example “just between you and I” gets thrown around from time to time, even though it is grammatically incorrect.
We have subjective and objective pronouns in English. I, he, she, we, and they are subjective pronouns, meaning you would use them when you are describing the subject in the sentence:
- I went to school today.
- She went on and on about grammar.
Me, him, her, us, and them are objective pronouns, meaning you would use them to describe the object in the sentence:
- My husband made me dinner.
- Did you read her brilliant blog post?
When the subject or object in a sentence is singular, it’s usually natural to use the correct pronoun. You would never say “Me went to school today” or “My husband made I dinner”. But sometimes when the subject or object is two or more nouns it doesn’t sound quite as odd:
- Lisa and me went to school today.
- My husband made Ralph and I dinner.
These examples are incorrect, and the easiest way to tell if they are incorrect is to take out the additional noun. When you take Lisa and Ralph out of the sentences, you’re back to “Me went to school today” and “My husband made I dinner”.
Proper nouns, like Lisa and Ralph, stay the same whether they are the subject or the object. Likewise you, and regular nouns like the cat:
- you drove us to the airport / we drove you to the airport
- the cat followed him / he followed the cat
This is likely where the confusion comes in when you add I or me to the list. You can pair you with either I or me, depending on whether they are the subject or object. Other subjective pronouns need to be paired with I: he and I, she and I. Other objective pronouns need to be paired with me: her and me, them and me.
So back to “just between you and I”. This is incorrect because “you and I” is the object in the sentence. The subject is what is between the two people (a secret, an opinion) so “just between you and me” would be correct.
Like many of the other rules I post about, this matters most in formal writing. “Me and so-and-so” is common enough that you probably wouldn’t even notice it in speech or informal writing… or in songs.
Putting the “me first” rule aside, was Paul Simon using the correct pronoun in “Me and Julio Down by the Schoolyard”? The long answer: yes, because the lyric is “Seein’ me and Julio down by the schoolyard” so the subject is the one who is seein’, and the object is “me and Julio”. The short answer: of course he’s right… he’s Paul fucking Simon.